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@ -12,47 +12,48 @@ things I did with NixOS. After publishing the post, my friend promptly asked:
Here is my response:
My journey to NixOS has been bumpy ride: it's been over a year since I looked
at first, and I still sometimes feel I did not escape the beginner level. The
learning curve is steep, and it is best to take it on gently or have a good
mentor nearby. I started by installing NixOS on my primary laptop, which was a
mistake. The annoyance of "I can do this in Debian in 5 seconds, and I am an
hour in without an end of sight in this thing" was very discouraging at times.
I reinstalled my laptop back to Debian and took a few slow months to provision
2 personal servers (the thing that's detailed in the blog). Taking it slow has
been fantastic experience. The folks in Matrix are very helpful where
documentation, especially high-level, is patchy. Now I feel comfortable enough
to retry NixOS on my laptop again.
Recently I realized that what I originally perceived as immaturity later turned
out lack of knowledge and/or lack of high-level documentation. Technicals are
good. Granted, I have found some bugs (though trivially [fixed][nixos-prs]),
but they mostly come from the power to configure it and thus the huge surface
area. Also, variety does not help: for example, there are [10 deployment
tools][deployment-tools] in the wiki ("nixops related" counts too). It is hard
to choose when I don't know what to expect, much less know what's possible. It
is also nontrivial to ask for a "high-level" advice: a beginner will just tell
their favorite system, not knowing the trade-offs or alternatives. An expert
will tell "depends on what you want to do". Moving beyond such answer requires
time and a beverage, which brings it's own constraints. In this concrete case,
I spent quite some time learning krops, which later turned out to be a
dead-end. Later moved to deploy-rs, which turned out to be a good decision so
far.
As far as recommendations go. For smaller companies, especially where
developers are also taking care of operations/deployments/infrastructure, I
can't recommend NixOS enough. For medium-large size companies it would
certainly bring a lot of value (I can already see how many things mine or my
sister-team at Uber had to re-implement which come out of the box in NixOS),
but, like with anything that has a different paradigm, requires a mentality
shift, which may be very hard organizationally.
There is at least one large-ish company I know that uses NixOS
([proof][canva]). I did not look, I found it by accident. I also know a few
folks in Tweag; their primary consulting stream is helping companies onboard to
Bazel and/or Nix. They won't tell who they are, but there are "quite a few, of
different sizes, flying under the radar".
> My journey to NixOS has been bumpy ride: it's been over a year since I looked
> at first, and I still sometimes feel I did not escape the beginner level. The
> learning curve is steep, and it is best to take it on gently or have a good
> mentor nearby. I started by installing NixOS on my primary laptop, which was
> a mistake. The annoyance of "I can do this in Debian in 5 seconds, and I am
> an hour in without an end of sight in this thing" was very discouraging at
> times.
>
> I reinstalled my laptop back to Debian and took a few slow months to
> provision 2 personal servers (the thing that's detailed in the blog). Taking
> it slow has been fantastic experience. The folks in Matrix are very helpful
> where documentation, especially high-level, is patchy. Now I feel comfortable
> enough to retry NixOS on my laptop again.
>
> Recently I realized that what I originally perceived as immaturity later
> turned out lack of knowledge and/or lack of high-level documentation.
> Technicals are good. Granted, I have found some bugs (though trivially
> [fixed][nixos-prs]), but they mostly come from the power to configure it and
> thus the huge surface area. Also, variety does not help: for example, there
> are [10 deployment tools][deployment-tools] in the wiki ("nixops related"
> counts too). It is hard to choose when I don't know what to expect, much less
> know what's possible. It is also nontrivial to ask for a "high-level" advice:
> a beginner will just tell their favorite system, not knowing the trade-offs
> or alternatives. An expert will tell "depends on what you want to do". Moving
> beyond such answer requires time and a beverage, which brings it's own
> constraints. In this concrete case, I spent quite some time learning krops,
> which later turned out to be a dead-end. Later moved to deploy-rs, which
> turned out to be a good decision so far.
>
> As far as recommendations go. For smaller companies, especially where
> developers are also taking care of operations/deployments/infrastructure, I
> can't recommend NixOS enough. For medium-large size companies it would
> certainly bring a lot of value (I can already see how many things mine or my
> sister-team at Uber had to re-implement which come out of the box in NixOS),
> but, like with anything that has a different paradigm, requires a mentality
> shift, which may be very hard organizationally.
>
> There is at least one large-ish company I know that uses NixOS
> ([proof][canva]). I did not look, I found it by accident. I also know a few
> folks in Tweag; their primary consulting stream is helping companies onboard
> to Bazel and/or Nix. They won't tell who they are, but there are "quite a
> few, of different sizes, flying under the radar".
[nixos-prs]: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Amotiejus+is%3Aclosed
[deployment-tools]: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Applications#Deployment